a lot of young people are starting green energy and alternative energy companies. we believe that you can do it through technology. all these ways that are very powerful. they're just not seen. they're not seen by everyone else. i think that is part of the challenge that we face. people say we're apathetic and lazy because the activism is not in your face and not out there. >> host: i'm sure they're true but they're also the activism is lazy because wait so easy. you october go online and sign an online petition or tweet something and that it counted as activism. >> guest: i think that idea has been overplayed, that somehow people in this generation feel they press a button and tweet and they think they changed the world. i don't know anyone who felt this way. what is happening now is there's greater awareness and accessible towards involvement in social activity. and that's a good thing. there are more people who are having some level of access to that process than not, and the hope is that for some of those people, in the long term, that will develop into more, a